Author: Martin Hughes
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“I’ll Pray For You”: Seven Reasons It Makes Atheists Angry
“I’ll pray for you,” when spoken by a Christian to an atheist, often makes the atheist angry. Christians usually incite this anger when they use the phrase to indicate that they are going to use God to influence the behavior or thinking of atheists against these atheists’ will. Several Christians, as well as some more peacefully-minded non-Christians, claim this anger is unjustifiable if the atheist states he or she does not believe in God. Christians may build on this claim by stating – or, at least, privately thinking —that this anger is a sign that, deep down, the atheist really DOES believe in God. But does this claim make sense? If atheists really thought prayer was a good and wholesome activity that gave them the ear of the Almighty God, wouldn’t they pray themselves? There are more plausible possibilities, and here are seven of them.Try not to take too much offense at this honesty, but the bare fact is that when you say, “I’ll pray for you,” I, as an atheist, don’t believe in God, so I see it as you talking to yourself. As a result, from my viewpoint what you’re telling me is, “I’m going to go talk to myself about you.” This is particularly frustrating when you do this in a discussion on religion, because you’re basically saying that you aren’t going to listen to us anymore, but that instead you’re going to go talk to yourself to restore your version of who atheists are. Such wall-building makes the context of understanding that many atheists are trying to create impossible, resulting in understandable frustration.When you say, “I’ll pray for you,” you seem to be (and, I would argue, actually are) trying to say that you’re superior to me. Now, atheists don’t believe in God, but when someone is unduly arrogant towards us, we become as angry as the next person. “But,” you say, “Atheists are arrogant towards ME.” OK, then make yourself a test case – did you get angry when they exhibited the arrogance that they, as a fellow human, were somehow superior to you? Assuming a “yes” — next question: Did you really believe you were inferior? No? But yet you claim it bothered you? The parallel is that atheists are similarly (and often more) rightfully angry when the Christian exhibits the arrogance of having a personal line to God that the atheist doesn’t have access to. Not because the atheist believes in God – that would be absurd, because in that case the atheist would simply pray to God himself. No, the anger is frustration at your arrogance, which you are in a position to understand, having experienced arrogant behavior from others towards you, yourself. P.S. If your response to this is, “But why would it bother you if you didn’t believe it,” please read this reason again; I did address this.Most of these reasons are focused on use of “I’ll pray for you” during a conversation that has to do with religion. A lot of atheists may appreciate the phrase when you use it as they’re going through a hard time — but some atheists won’t, and they have a fairly upstanding reason for why: We atheists simply don’t think prayer really does anything. It doesn’t automatically make our situations better. In fact, in the most recent thorough study on prayer, which was done on cardiac bypass patients in 2006, letting a patient know they were being prayed for actually INCREASED the number of complications, probably because these patients had more stress because of “performance anxiety.” So we may be upset that you are doing what is, in our eyes, an ineffective and potentially harmful activity instead of engaging in practical solutions and real relationships.We’re often upset that you TOLD us you’d pray for us. Many of us atheists are familiar with Christianity, so we know that Jesus said to keep your prayers to yourself in several places in the Bible. So, we figure, if you sincerely wanted to pray for us, there was no need to tell us. And we don’t believe in God, so why would you need to? We’re not getting anything out of it. Telling us you’ll be praying, then, seems to be a blatant attempt to tell us that you’re not convinced that we don’t need intervening from God (who we often see as, with all due respect, something of an imaginary friend), and to rub in your argument that you think we deserve your pity more than your respect (because, honestly, we think that if you respected us you would be more prone to keeping those prayers to yourself).The phrase often underlines your separation from the atheist. For example, if you knew the atheist before their deconversion, and the atheist is already upset and angry at the way you view them now, saying “I’ll pray for you” may emphasize the fact that the relationship between yourself and the atheist has changed, and the atheist’s anger may be grief. This is not grief that you are actually going to talk to God about them (because the atheist doesn’t believe God exists), but grief that your use of the phrase underlines the difference between you. This angry grief is likely to be even more intense if there is reason for the atheist to believe you used the phrase intentionally to highlight the difference between you and the atheist.For us as atheists, the effect of prayer is purely psychological and social. There is no God making it work, so any changes of mind that may come about due to someone saying “I’ll pray for you” will come through human interaction. If you have no strong reason to back up your statements in an argument, “I’ll pray for you” seems like a cheap trick to psychologically intimidate the atheist into either feeling inferior to you or into feeling he or she is in a position of shame or pity, or to otherwise emotionally manipulate the atheist into coming closer to your position. For many atheists, then, especially those who were formally Christian, this seems like an underhanded move, and they will feel justified in calling you out on it.Honestly, it often seems to us as atheists that Christians are fully aware that the phrase “I’ll pray for you” bothers us, and at least some of the aforementioned reasons WHY it bothers us, and yet use the phrase anyway. It seems to us that the reason for your use of the phrase is that, in your mind and in much of culture, that phrase has been kept immune from any moral judgment, so that you can use that phrase on the offensive in an argument (fully aware of all the “reasons” on this list) and walk away from the conversation looking like a saint. Due to the “angry atheist” stereotype, the atheist often does not have the same luxury to be seen as morally justified when responding to the phrase “I’ll pray for you.” This unfairness is frustrating, and one of the ways some atheists have dealt with this frustration is by expressing it honestly, in spite of any negative consequences and any perception from Christians that they are “angry.” In any event, the growth of the non-religious and the gradual shrinking of fundamentalism seems to be making the phrase “I’ll pray for you” in an inappropriate context increasingly unacceptable. -
Why I’m Angry: An Anti-Theist’s 78 Reasons
1. I am angry that little children are told that they will go to hell if they don’t believe in the Bible.
Contrary to popular belief, and in spite of this long list, atheists are, apparently, not any more angry than the average Joe. According to the abstract of a recent 2014 review of 7 studies on the subject that was published in the Journal of Psychology:The prevalence and accuracy of angry-atheist perceptions were examined in 7 studies with 1,677 participants from multiple institutions and locations in the United States. Studies 1–3 revealed that people believe atheists are angrier than believers, people in general, and other minority groups, both explicitly and implicitly. Studies 4–7 then examined the accuracy of these beliefs. Belief in God, state anger, and trait anger were assessed in multiple ways and contexts. None of these studies supported the idea that atheists are particularly angry individuals. Rather, these results support the idea that people believe atheists are angry individuals, but they do not appear to be angrier than other individuals in reality.In other words, the perception that atheists are angry seems to have nothing to do with atheists, and everything to do with believers. We are not atheists because we are naturally angry people, and our grievances against Christianity are more likely to be actual grievances than expressions of a more taciturn-than-usual tendency. So…maybe you should listen.And please, don’t complain about how “unhealthy” it is to be angry. Waste of time. If you’re going to comment, tell me that I’m wrong and how I’m wrong. And if I’m not wrong — why the hell aren’t you angry at these items? Maybe this is a time to engage in some soul-searching of your own.2. I am angry that, according to recent studies, Atheists are more distrusted in society than rapists.
- Study: Atheists distrusted as much as rapists – USATODAY.com
Psychologists say study shows anti-atheist prejudice stems from moral distrust, not dislike, of nonbelievers.
3. I am angry that churches say homosexuality is a sin, and then deny that the teaching does any damage in the face of many homosexuals who claim the opposite, through tears and suicide.
- Study: Tolerance Can Lower Gay Kids’ Suicide Risk
“LGBT Kids who experienced high levels of rejection were nearly 8.5 times more likely to have attempted suicide. They were nearly six times more likely to report high levels of depression and almost 3.5 times more likely to use illegal drugs.”
4. I am angry that people spend their lives trying to figure out “God’s will,” paralyzing their lives instead of striking out and embracing it.
- Confused About God’s Will/Where’s My Life Going? Frustration
“What do you do when you’re BEGGING for God to take control, but nothing happens? I have literally been crying over my Bible all week. This isn’t something new…I’ve been praying for guidance for so long.”
5. I am angry that people think individuals who I know don’t deserve it are going to spend eternity in hell.
6. I am angry parents teach their children that God once drowned almost everyone in the world because they thought like me.
7. I am angry that wives who are abused are told to submit to abusive husbands in church because that’s what the Bible says.
- Christian Domestic Discipline Promotes Spanking Wives To Maintain Biblical Marriage
When a follower of the Christian Domestic Discipline movement decides what to hit his God-fearing wife with, research is important. A hairbrush, for example, is “excellent for achieving the desired sting” but can break easily.
9. I am angry that Christianity makes “faith” a virtue, opening the door for parents to trust in prayer as opposed to medicine because of scriptures like that at the end of I Corinthians 5 (“the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well”), and literally allowing children to die, become deeply ill, or experience severe pain. I’ve seen the stories and interviews, and they make me cry and makes my blood boil, and I think they should.
10. I am angry that Christianity encourages parents to make their children read about the genocides in the Old Testament, which are “OK” because God commanded them through a prophet who just happened to have God’s advice. For me, it’s like allowing children to read about the Nazis and teaching them that God spoke through Hitler, but worse.
____________________________________________________________Don’t make this the last time we get to see each other! Scroll to the bottom of this page to subscribe to this blog and/or like the barrierbreaker FB page before you leave so that we can stay in touch. Thank you!OK, apologies for the interruption. Carry on.11. I am angry that the church gives the Bible to drug addicts, as if it is the answer. It works for some, but doesn’t work for others (I’ve seen this in person), and when you see the desperation in their eyes…it breaks your heart that alternatives are not offered to them.- Barry A. Hazle Jr., Atheist, Wins Nearly $2 Million In Settlement Over Faith-Based Rehab Program
A California atheist has won a settlement of nearly $2 million after being sent to jail on a parole violation for objections he made about participating in a faith-based rehab program.
- After 75 Years of AA, It’s Time to Admit We Have a Problem – Pacific Standard: The Science of Societ
Challenging the 12-step hegemony.
12. I am angry that the church spends millions of dollars on buildings and salaries for ministry staff that comes from people in the congregation — the people feel obligated to pay for the very people who are perpetuating the fraud of Christianity.
13. I am angry that churches get tax-exempt status when they are heavily involved in politics.
- As churches get political, IRS stays quiet| Reuters
(Reuters) – Pastor Jim Garlow will stand before congregants at his 2,000-seat Skyline Wesleyan Church, just weeks before the U.S. presidential and congressional elections, and urge his flock to vote for or against particular candidates.
14. I am angry that the Bible’s concept of turning the other cheek has been used to convince the underprivileged in society not to fight back.
- On Turning The Other Cheek
“Over the centuries, this text has been written on human bodies in bruised cheeks, swollen lips, blackened eyes, bloodied noses, broken jaws, and far worse.”
15. I am angry that Christianity defines the entire worth of other people based on whether or not they believe one of the most fantastic stories ever told.
- Are you saved? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
“You must know and acknowledge that there is only one God,that Jesus is God in flesh, that you are a sinner,that you need to repent of your sins,and that the only way to find forgiveness is to trust in Jesus alone,by faith alone,through grace alone.”
16. I am angry at the way Christianity utilizes verses like 2 Corinthians 10:5-6 that tell people to take every thought captive, effectively making sure its ideology traps minds.
- How to Take Every Thought Captive: The Battle for Your Mind
2 Corinthians 10 commands us to take every thought captive and make it obedient to Christ. How do we break the strongholds in our minds?
17. I am angry that Christianity convinces people to love a dead person more than they love their own families.
- Yes, Natasha, he really loves Jesus more than he loves you
“Each and every day, I know and am painfully aware of the fact that my parents love Jesus more than they love me, and that they would and did pick him over me.”
18. I am angry that most Christians don’t read their Bibles carefully before sending the treacherous book to third-world countries.
- Americans Love The Bible But Don’t Read It Much, Poll Shows
More than half of Americans think the Bible has too little influence on a culture they see in moral decline, yet only one in five Americans read the Bible on a regular basis, according to a new survey.
19. I am angry that the dedication to faith leads many Christians to categorically reject any careful study that disproves any of their faith tenets, and yet many Christians insist they are engaging in rational debate.
“You give me the awful impression of someone who hasn’t read any of the arguments against your position ever.”
20. I am angry that people are encouraged to follow Christ for primarily emotional reasons, but when they use that same emotional reason to leave Christ, they are told that they cannot do so. Christianity often highlights people’s emotions and states that hard thinking and rationalization for your stances is unnecessary when you are in Christianity, but when you leave, suddenly your emotions are invalid, and in addition many people’s ability to rationally defend themselves is diminished by decades of encouragement for the rank and file in the congregation to “just trust God.” Furthermore, the emotion to love other people often is a reason people leave Christianity, and it is applauded UNTIL they leave Christianity. In other words, Christianity often develops emotions inside people that it controls through definition (it decides whether you are a loving person or not, for example), and then it often bars people from the rational development that it then requires from people in place of emotion once these people leave Christianity. This seems very cruel to me. I’m not making this up…there are plenty of stories from other former Christians to this effect, and I have experienced it myself.
- Why are believers ignorant about atheists? – Salon.com
“Rev. Gavin Dunbar made an argument that, unless you believe in God, you have no reason to care whether the people you love live or die, or even or even to love them in the first place.”
21. I am angry that due to years of being brainwashed by Christian ideology, you are given several “trigger” words put in your mind by expert pursuaders and manipulators, and that these trigger words (like “evil,” “mocker,” “sinner,” and so on) get assigned to you immediately upon announcing your deconversion, and that any negative reaction to those trigger words is used to guilt-trip you into coming back into Christian ideology.- Guilt Trip – Think Atheist
A question on a message board leads into a discussion on the guilt non-Christians feel after deconversion, due to brainwashing in Christianity.
“The hardest thing of all is that when we have exposed modern man to his tension [of hopelessness without God], he still may not be willing for the true solution. Consequently, we may seem to leave him in a worse state than he was in before…. We confront men with reality; we remove their protection and their escapes; we allow the avalanches to fall. If they do not become Christians, then indeed they are in a worse state than before we spoke to them.” — Francis Schaeffer, THE GOD WHO IS THERE, at the end of Chapter Two
22. I am angry that many apologetics books (especially those written by presuppositionalists in the tradition of Francis Schaeffer) explicitly train apologists to push their potential converts into suicidal shame and despair in order to make them pliable for brainwashing via Christian ideology.
23. I am angry that some Christian apologists out and out LIE in order to sell books (Frank Turek and Lee Strobel — here’s looking at you), and that the aura of Christianity as fundamentally good in this culture makes them exempt from moral criticism.
24. I am angry that belief in Christianity has caused many to think the world is going to end in catastrophe and they’ll go to heaven as part of God’s plan, making them less concerned about trying to save this world for their children (God’s got it under control, and He’s planning on getting rid of it anyway). This especially exhibits itself in thoughts on global warming.
- Limbaugh: ‘If You Believe In God, Then Intellectually You Cannot Believe In Manmade Global Warming |
“See, in my humble opinion, folks, if you believe in God, then intellectually you cannot believe in manmade global warming … You must be either agnostic or atheistic to believe that man controls something that he can’t create.” — Rush Limbaugh
25. I am angry that many Christians simply wear the title without taking the Bible seriously, because they are part of the reason there is so much misery among the confused people who actually do try to live by it. If you don’t take the Bible seriously as a Christian, just be honest and leave the religion instead of disparaging those who do take it seriously.
- One in Four Believers Are ‘Christians in Name Only,’ According to Survey
Changing the Face of Christianity Inc, a non-profit corporation dedicated to reversing negative Christian stereotypes, has released the results of a quiz designed to determine how well Christians live the teachings of Jesus Christ.
26. I am angry that today’s evangelism programs teach social pressure (as opposed to doctrine) as the primary motivator of conversion. The whole campaign to focus on relationships as opposed to doctrine seems to me, upon closer examination, manipulation — a tool to control people that needs very little attachment to doctrine — indeed, doctrine is often demeaned and discouraged in more liberal evangelistic churches, leaving the church to be a unit of specialists in creating cults of social control.
- Why Hes Not Emergent, by Someone Who Used to Be – John Stonestreet | The Point – Summit Ministries
“The emergents are so sensitive to issues of community, relationship, egalitarianism, and being non-utilitarian in their relationships, that evangelism has simply become a synonym for manipulation.”
27. I am angry that children who don’t believe in God have to lie and say they do when they go to school just to keep from getting bullied.
Penn Jillette with Examples of School Bullying
28. I am angry at the witch trials that are still going on in Africa, as a result of the Bible, TODAY.
29. I am angry at the Christian participation in Rwanda, which was the most Christian nation in Africa when the Rwandan genocide occured (and angry at the Old Testament for giving them the idea).
- The Catholic church must apologise for its role in Rwanda’s genocide | Chris McGreal | Comment is fr
Chris McGreal: The Vatican’s reluctance to confront those accused of murder in its midst is rooted in its refusal to face up to the church’s complicity in the events of 1994
30. I am angry at the fact that 40% of Americans will simply not vote for an atheist simply BECAUSE he/she would be an atheist.
- Gallup: Atheists, Muslims See Most Bias as Presidential Candidates
Just over half of Americans (54%) would vote for an atheist or a Muslim (58%) for president, the least among nine identity groups. More than nine in 10 Americans would vote for Jewish, Hispanic, Catholic, female, or black candidates.
31. I am angry that you can post all the derogatory things about atheists and the happy things about God that you want on Facebook, but the moment you are equally honest about your atheist stance, THEN you’re seen as disrespectful — both by people who agree with you and those who don’t.Illustration of the Double Standard
32. I am angry that people don’t understand why the Christian story seems so ridiculous because they’ve been brainwashed with it for most of their lives. Many (though, of course, not all) are taken from a young age and trapped in the ideology until they die 70 years later, and that makes me upset.
If you had never heard of the Bible…..
33. I am angry that most churches vote against secular help for the poor from government, making religious charities in charge of who gets fed and who does not.
- An Example
Government vs. Christian Charity
34. I am angry at the numerous stories I have heard of atheists’ children who were told by religious teachers and religious peers that their parents were going to hell, causing tear-jerking grief.
35. I am angry that one of the ways slavery was (and still is) justified is that it at least taught us negro heathens Christianity.
36. I am angry at the social stigma many single mothers receive because of the Bible’s false sense of morality.
- JK Rowling: Single Mums ‘Face Stigmatisation’
The Harry Potter author attacks the “strivers versus skivers” attitude as she tells of her own struggles as a single parent, much of which was in churches.
37. I am angry that the same people who see obvious problems with taking the Bible “literally” have no problem with it being given to people, raw, overseas.
- Conservative Anglicans look to the Third World
This article highlights the differences between the more liberal countries who gave the third world the Bible, and the third world countries who read it literally and have conservative, sometimes oppressive, interpretations of it.
38. I am angry that Christianity encourages people to rejoice in their suffering, often making them feel guilty for feeling deep pain, hurt, and/or anger.
- The Psychology of Apologetics: Sin | de-conversion
Lewis suggests that….a true Christian, in harmony with God, is satisfied with God. Therefore, any suffering you feel is the result of wanting or experiencing something that is disrupting that blissful harmony that is yours for the asking.
39. I am angry for Christianity moralizing the position people are in life — those who make good money often are more respected than those who do not, because they are “blessed” by God, and God supposedly puts every person where they are supposed to be. I am further angry that many of the more wealthy Christians deny this while not denying it every time they talk about how God has “blessed them so richly with a nice house and a good income” and so on in a way that bolsters their standing before other people.
- Boasting Blessings by Kathy Mitchell and Marcy Sugar on Creators.com – A Syndicate Of Talent
“I can’t help but be jealous of her good fortune, yet I always reply by saying how happy I am for her. Still, it seems as if she is trying to rub my nose in it. I keep my mouth shut as she goes on and on about how God is blessing her daily.”
40. I am angry with the fact that wealthy individuals in churches can and do pay to control their churches and, by extension, the people in them.
- http://magazine.nics.org/magazine/article/influencing-the-influential
“When wealthy people are in church, they often receive special treatment because of their wealth.” Although this article seeks solutions, it does state this is a common problem.
41. I am angry that the Bible licenses male promiscuity in several old testament passages (there are no restrictions agains male polygamy) and has no restrictions on male “modesty,” but speaks harshly against female promiscuity (there ARE strict restrictions against female polygamy) and has restrictions on their dress (according to how the Bible is usually interpreted) — translating to men being respected for their sexual prowess and women being demeaned for theirs, in many circumstances…which results in rape being seen as lowering a woman’s value (as she was probably “asking for it”), while the male’s value often remains unchanged (“boys will be boys”).- Conservative Christian Slut-Shaming, Boys Will Be Boys, and Identity Formation
“Apparently, after seeing one ‘sexual’ picture of a teenage girl, guys are only able now to think of that teenage girl as a sexual object. The idea seems to be that ‘boys will be boys’ is true.”
42. I am angry that the stats for how often Christians and Atheists “sin” is about the same (or higher for Christians), and yet Atheists are told they have no morality.
- Atheist marriages may last longer than Christian ones – Salon.com
“Research suggests American divorce rates are highest among “Bible-believing” Christians.” - Christian Piatt: Are Atheists Better People Than Christians?
“Back when I waited tables, the Sunday after-church crowd was the absolute worst of the week to wait on.”
43. I am angry that Christians insist, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that Atheism is akin to nihilism simply because the Bible tells them so.
- Atheism and nihilism
An example from a Christian Apologist.
44. I am angry that Atheists are told by Christians they have no basis for morality, and then say they do because they follow the commands of an imaginary creator who just happens to be right about everything, just because. Morality is a system we made up to help us navigate the world — it can be refined and theorized. WE are the basis for our morality — we would have to be — and I get angry when Atheists are denied input into a moral system because Christians are committed to one that is about 3000 years old.
45. I am angry that when I am criticizing ideas and am CAREFUL not to demean people themselves, I am then demeaned as a human being AND my ideas are criticized AND I am told that I should not demean people.
46. I am angry that often when someone ends a conversation on religion with “I’ll pray for you,” they mean to insinuate that YOU need intervention from their imaginary God and THEY are fine. I further get angry when they use the phrase to guilt-trip you into accepting Christianity because they pray for you so often.
- “I’ll Pray For You”: Seven Reasons It Makes Atheists Angry
Often, Christians state that the phrase “I’ll pray for you” makes atheists angry because atheists actually secretly believe in the power of prayer, but there are more plausible possibilities.
47. I am angry because religion somehow got attached to denying women the right to reproductive help.
- How Abortion was Linked to Pro-Segregation as an issue for the Religious Right
The modern religious right formed, practically overnight, as a rapid response to the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling in Roe v. Wade. Or, at least, that’s how the story goes. Here’s the reality…
48. I am angry that Christianity teaches that we are so evil that we need to replace ourselves with the self God gave us — taking away our individuality and what makes it unique.
- What does it mean to “deny yourself”?
A person hung on [a cross] until his skeletal structure collapsed and he suffocated to death…his body drowning itself in its own fluids.We are to live in such a way that it is apparent to everyone that we have died to ourselves…and live for God.
49. I am angry that the entire, amazing, real universe is so often reduced down to an incredibly small myth that is used to intimidate and control individuals.
“It’s Just Out Of Proportion”
50. I am angry that if you doubt you need “help” in the Christian scheme — whereas if you have faith, you’re good to go. Faith should not be a virtue. In every other part of life, it’s not — why should it be here?
- Faith and Doubt | Reasonable Faith
“Remember: Doubt is not just a matter of academic debate or disinterested intellectual discussion; it involves a battle for your very soul, and if Satan can use doubt to immobilize you or destroy you, then he will.” — William Lane Craig
51. I am angry that there are so many preachers who push their congregation to their limits as far as following the version of Christianity that they advocate, but will privately disregard the message (one of the ten most attractive jobs of a psychopath is being a preacher, and it is a very popular profession for “former” con artists).- Why Predators Are Attracted to Careers in the Clergy | Psychology Today
Some further insight into a serious phenomenon. By Joe Navarro, M.A….
52. I am angry that the moment you step outside of Christianity, not only do you lose all credibility — you are seen as worse than a regular unbeliever who has never heard the Gospel (due, in part, to scriptures like that in Hebrews 6).
- Hebrews 6:4-6 – Escape to Reality
“Those who have never heard the good news of God’s grace may yet receive it. But those who have heard and hardened their hearts toward it, are well and truly lost.”
53. I am angry that many Christians lie (as many former believers have confessed) and insist they are not afraid of hell, which allows them to publically ridicule or demean honest Christians who say that they have a supposedly irrational fear of a place that’s infinitely worse than their worst nightmares that they would be in for infinity if they didn’t believe in God. These same Christians will turn around and say, “The reason I don’t do XYZ is because there are laws against it, and you’ll go to prison.” OK — so you can understand fear of prison but not fear of hell? Either you haven’t given much thought about what hell is, or you’re lying through your teeth.
54. I am angry that, in many churches, worship is set up like a giant trance session — the room is fairly dark, people are told to close their eyes, they are told to raise their hands, they are told to forget about everything else, the people who are most “lost” in the trance are the models for the rest — effectively brainwashing individuals week by week with a skillfully crafted, nearly hypnotic, environment.
Example of Hypnotic Suggestion in Religious Setting
55. I am angry that Jesus’ advice to not worry about life is actually followed by people (to their detriment) who SHOULD worry about life, and that his statement that if you seek first the kingdom of God, “all these things will be added to you” creates, in many segments of Christianity, poor people who think the answer is following God more when it is actually stepping back and being rational about the world. I am further angry that when people who trust in these scriptures most say, “I followed God. Why is this happening to me?” they are told by people whose didn’t invest as much in God as them but happen to be in a better position (partly because they WERE more rational) that they need an attitude adjustment and need to be further dedicated because they are worrying too much.
- Look Again and Think | My Utmost For His Highest
Christian Advice: “Whenever there are competing concerns in your life (Jesus tells us not to worry about these things), be sure you always put your relationship to God first.”
56. I am angry that evangelical associations like the International House of Prayer use the squeaky-clean, “revolution”-type, trendy Christianity to take missionaries to countries like Uganda and preach messages about the “crime” of homosexuality that they cannot teach in the United States, resulting in so much anger against homosexuals in Uganda that there are strict laws against homosexuality that many Ugandans are fighting to make stronger (for example, life imprisonment for one homosexual act, and capital punishment for multiple homosexual acts).
- Foiled in the United States, Anti-Gay Evangelicals Spread Hate in Africa | Mother Jones
“Under the leadership of pastor Mike Bickle, IHOP has poured millions of dollars into Uganda—much of it filtered into local churches and missions with explicitly anti-gay agendas.”
57. I am angry that if I were to die right now as non-Christian, many of my friends and families will think that I was burning in hell every moment of the rest of their lives. Worst funeral ever. I am further angry that this phenomenon has already happened countless times and will likely happen countless more times.
58. I am angry that the United States has a long history of being seen (falsely) as a Christian nation that is therefore better than other nations and should be protected and have as much control as possible (the “City on a Hill” concept), because this has caused untold destruction to other countries and to people — like Native Americans — in this country. I am further angry that we fail to see our hypocrisy when Muslim nations say the same thing. This mentality goes back to the crusades and it is STILL happening.
- The Religious Origins of Manifest Destiny, Divining America, TeacherServe©, National Humani
“Manifest Destiny” claimed that America had a destiny, manifest, i.e., self-evident, from God to occupy the North American continent south of Canada. It was also clearly a racial doctrine of white supremacy.
59. I am angry that the military is full of religious chaplains, but literally bars atheists from the job position.
- Yes, There Are Humanists In The Military And Here’s What They’re Fighting For
“Last year, the House Armed Services Committee struck down an amendment to the 2014 National Defense Authorization Act requiring the Department of Defense to recognize humanism within the military Chaplain Corps.”
60. I am angry that the Boy Scouts of America don’t allow atheists to serve as Boy Scout leaders — and only a couple months ago allowed atheists to be Boy Scouts at all (many Boy Scouts who were atheists had to lie).
- Why Johnny can’t Scout: If he’s gay, he’s out at 18. But if he’s atheist, he’s out immediately. | On
“Johnny has a problem. If he says he is an atheist, he will have to quit and never be able to have anything to do with Scouting again. So, he pretends to believe in God….He lives a lie.”
61. I am angry at the philosophy that faith — void of science and reason — is not enough to build drones, bombs, or support national security, but is enough to prevent women from having an abortion. I am further angry that about 30% of women will have an abortion over their lifetime, and many of these women do and will feel they have to keep the abortion secret in order to keep friends and escape public shaming — these secrets, according to psychologists, actually PRODUCE shame.- Induced Abortion in the United States
“At least half of American women will experience an unintended pregnancy by age 45, and at 2008 abortion rates, one in 10 women will have an abortion by age 20, one in four by age 30 and three in 10 by age 45.”
62. I am angry that the United States has the HIGHEST incarceration rate IN THE WORLD (not just among developed countries, but among ALL countries), and one of its HIGHEST recidivism rates in the world, as well, partly because of the false mentality that “sinners” deserve to be punished, which is a clear implication of the concept of hell. I am further angry when I see other atheistic countries in northern Europe in which the goal is not punishment, but rehabilitation, and look at their admirably low incarceration rates and recidivism rates, and think about how much better off we would be if we got rid of this destructive concept of hell.
- PUNISHMENT, PRISONS, AND THE BIBLE: DOES “OLD TESTAMENT JUSTICE” JUSTIFY OUR RETRIBUTIVE CULTURE?
“One of the sources commonly invoked to defend retributive ideology and harsher sentencing practices is the Hebrew Bible, also known by some as the Old Testament.”
63. I am angry that I Corinthians chapter 1 out and out states that the philosopher and scholar cannot understand Christianity, effectively making it immune in many people’s minds from the critique it needs — if you speak about it you’re often automatically wrong because, “You’re a scholar,” and you get trapped in that box when you really have important things to say.
- 1 Corinthians 1:18-25 Written sermon foolishness of cross | Scott Knowlton’s Blog
“Paul tells us there are those who don’t believe,who call those who do believe in the message of the cross, and the salvation and everlasting life that it brings, ‘foolish.’Yet in reality, they are the ones who are foolish.”
64. I am angry at the fact that a major reason so many people are Christian today is because there were several inquisitions, forceful conversions on entire tribes, and aggressive punishment and laws against speaking against religion that were enforced by government because of no separation between church and state.
- An Example of the Violent Spread of Christianity
“When the Spanish and the Portuguese initiated an era of global exploration and conquest in the late 15th century, the reaping of souls became inextricably woven with the conquest of land, peoples, and resources.”
65. I am angry that atheists are not allowed allowed the same privileges as religious individuals, who are allowed to go into the prisons as chaplains and convert the inmates – and that prisons in the United States often become a Christian conversion mill for individuals due to the conditions there, the powerlessness of the inmates, and the exaltation of Christian principles.
- Why God Is Found Behind Bars
“The conversion narrative “works” as a shame management and coping strategy…”
66. I am angry that the Christian answer to doubt is that it is Satan testing you, but that God wants to use it to strengthen your belief. If doubt, then, brings you back to God, it’s fine, but if it doesn’t it is hard proof that Satan is winning. This ingenious device has trapped people in Christianity for years, because I know from experience that (almost?) nothing is scarier than thinking you are being decieved by Satan and that Satan is winning. I am further angry that people who doubt and are manipulated into coming back to God from that doubt often see people who have this fear of being decieved by Satan like individuals who have a mental illness, and as somewhat inferior religious people who they need to pray for and pity.
67. I am angry at the social alienation many in the Bible belt physically experience when they say they are no longer able to believe the Bible’s incredible story — often losing friends and family in truly disturbing ways.
68. I am angry that Christianity states people should follow a certain behavioral code that NOBODY follows — but Christians are seen as still squeaky clean in significant segments of Christianity when not following them, because grace. Atheists, on the other hand, are often denigrated wherever they break the code, and it is used as proof that they are “still in their sins.” I am further angry that the socially constructed guilt that comes from this denigration is used to say that atheists who were formerly Christian left Christianity solely because they wanted to sin and not for any justifiable reason — which immediately causes them to stop being heard by those in church (while those in church who sin regularly but are forgiven by “grace” still keep their credibility). I am further angry when the concept of “sin” is used by evangelists using the Bible (like Ray Comfort) to shame people into thinking they are fundamentally terrible, evil people, a shaming that is used to manipulate them into Christianity.
- Addicting Info – Study Reveals Atheists Are MORE Compassionate And Generous Than Highly Re
“In a study published in the Social Psychological and Personality Science journal, researchers performed three experiments and concluded that the highly religious are more stingy with money and less compassionate overall than the less religious.”
69. I am angry that many Christians, including the parents of atheist children, blame the child’s atheism on the deeply religious parents’ bad parenting. Christians regularly use this to shame the parents of atheist children, as I have seen in my own experience. I have awesome parents, and my atheism is a result of what they did right, so that makes me furious — and I am not alone there.
- Author Claims Fatherlessness Leads to Atheism
“Dr. Paul Vitz, the author of the (newly updated!) book Faith of the Fatherless,…makes the argument that we became atheists because we were disappointed in our fathers.”
70. I am angry that many atheists and Christian doubters are told that their problem is that they are putting their ways above God’s ways — when human beings have crafted every “way” they follow in the first place. In other words, the false humility of, “Unlike you, I’m humble…it’s just that this all-powerful deity who both you and I should accept without question happens to agree with everything I say, and you should submit to Him and, if you don’t, justice demands that you are tortured for eternity because that’s what you deserve” is absolutely infuriating, especially when I see it used as a manipulation tactic. That is, in my mind, one of the proudest positions you can have, especially if you believe that with no evidence and take pride in your “faith.”
- An Example: One Christian’s Theory On The Arrogance of Atheists
“Atheism….represents the proudest of the proud….In contrast, Christian faith produces rue humility and a deep love and compassion for others….from Christ who lives within those who trust Him and follow Him.”
71. I am angry at the number of atheists who are shamed into silence and, as a result, try to shame other atheists into silence regarding the things we have every reason to be angry about in society. It is difficult being an atheist and much easier to have the “nice atheist” persona, but if you care about the world, like many of us do, it is frustrating to be told that the most caring thing we can do is NOT care or voice our concerns regarding religion’s effects on society.- What Are The Goals of the Atheist Movement?
“’It doesn’t do any good for atheists to argue with believers about religion, or to make fun of religion, or to insult it.’ We see this argument a lot among atheists.” — Greta Christina
72. I am angry that the verse, “If a man does not work, he should not eat” is used to moralize employment situations. If a man does not work, maybe it’s because he has a hard time finding work. Maybe this is an opportunity to have compassion on him instead of thinking the Bible defines his situation and what he deserves.
- A Conquering Faith: IF A MAN WON’T WORK, NEITHER LET HIM EAT
“Lazy people don’t learn their lesson if they are continually supported and excused for bad behavior. If God rejects the craving of the wicked, so should we.”
73. I am angry that the Old Testament stories of Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac at God’s command (even though he was stopped) and Jephthah killing his daughter after making an oath to God (Judges 11) are stories that teach Bible-readers that a nonexistent God is more important than the lives of their children. It seems clear that this conviction has been a source for several parents who have claimed that God commanded them to kill their kids (cf. Deanna Laney, Carlos Rico, Jennifer Cisowski, LaShaun Harris, and several others).
- CNN.com – In interview, mother details delusions that spurred her to kill sons – Apr 1, 2004
“The Lord told Laney the end was near, He was coming and she needed to kill her sons to prove her complete and unconditional faith in Him, Laney told a forensic psychiatrist in December.”
74. I am angry at the concept of demon possession in the Bible, which has resulted countless times today and throughout Christian history in traumatic exorcisms instead of the medical treatment and understanding that the mentally ill individuals need.
- My family thinks an exorcism will cure my mental illness.
“This is the 21st century, and an unwillingness to accept that mental illness is just that—an illness—seems an act of willful bigotry not amenable to reason.”
75. I am angry that the concept that homosexuality is an abomination in the Bible is the ONLY reason why Christians refuse to see gay relationships as legitimate ones that can be christened as marriages — when the Bible, at the same time, seems to have no problem with polygamy (on the man’s side, not the woman’s) and the taking of multiple concubines — who aren’t wives, but are there for sex purposes.
76. I am angry that circumcision — the cutting of a person’s genitalia — is regularly performed without a male’s consent when he is an infant.
77. I am angry at the Biblical concept that what you have, you should thank God for — because the implication is that God has “blessed” you with it. Saying God blessed you with something is a way of claiming a right to it that other people, whom God hasn’t blessed in the same way, don’t have. I mean, the clear, logical implication of this thinking is that one person is “blessed” with riches while another has been “blessed” with poverty and malnutrition — and the subtext is that each should be grateful for what he has. Paul’s statement that he’s learned to be content in every situation (Philippians 4:11-12) indicates that it’s a virtue for the poor to be as satisfied with their lot as the rich. This thinking masks very real social changes that need to take place for the suffering to be cared for, so it makes me, at times, absolutely livid.
78. I am angry that Christianity creates the very problem of sin and the concept of the sinner, along with all the psychological damage that problem and concept causes, that it then claims it is the solution for.
Note: A different list has been recommended in the comments, and I thought it would be helpful to include it here: Greta Christina’s book Why Are You Atheists So Angry: 99 Things That Piss Off The Godless. As of writing this note, I have not read it, but it comes highly recommended and Greta Christina is an excellent author. - Study: Atheists distrusted as much as rapists – USATODAY.com
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Why I Hate God’s Grace: An Atheist’s Three Reasons
Of all the concepts in Christianity, the concept of God’s grace is arguably the most harmful, destructive, insulting, and psychologically crippling. The tragedy here is the number of people who would probably be surprised by that statement; most seem to laud grace as the best thing about Christianity. But the moment you examine it, the moment you take an outsider’s view of what grace is and think carefully about its implications for the lives and value of individuals, the more dangerous and diabolical the concept seems.
“Grace,” in popular Christian theology, is the term for God’s act of giving you something (like “forgiveness of sins” or “eternal life”) you don’t deserve. The concept here, in many cases, is that we have offended God or broken His moral code. And although we supposedly deserve hell as a result, God has decided not to punish us with hell (or let us go to hell, depending on your theology) and has given us “eternal life” instead.
And for this, the story goes, you should praise God for this great gift of grace that He has given to you and all of humankind who will accept it, a gift He gave because He loves you so much that He was willing to have His One and Only Son to give up His life for you. How humbling. How exhilarating.
Except…not really. For three reasons.
1. If God is our Father, His Grace makes Him a terrible parent.
It’s pretty nice to buy a three year old ice cream. It’s terrible to tell the child that he deserves poison and then give him ice cream. Especially if the child does not deserve poison. I mean, it seems that the reason grace is so wonderful, in much of Christian theology, is that we don’t deserve it, supposedly. But the best “grace,” it seems, is the kind that isn’t grace, the kind you receive simply because the person has your and society’s best interests at heart. To be sure, that viewpoint is not grace, which is why it’s awesome. I mean, think about it. When an infant is born, it doesn’t deserve anything. There’s nothing anyone automatically deserves. Deserving things isn’t the point — the point is trying to build a decent society filled with decent people. So we don’t help our kids because they deserve it or in spite of the fact that they don’t deserve it — or, at least, we shouldn’t. It seems that a good parent helps us because they want us to enrich ourselves and society; obsession with what we do and don’t deserve can distract us from that and give the child guilt trips that impede its social development.
The infuriating thing about this whole deal is that there is no God. So when someone is told they deserve eternity in hellfire — they’re not remotely telling the truth. That’s a completely made up guilt trip, there to instill fear and shame in other people, to control them and to maintain power by twisting their psychology and convincing them to believe fantastic stories that force them to behave in disturbing ways. Indeed, the only thing that makes grace beautiful, it seems, is fear of hell, a fear that depends on a conviction that hell is what people deserve hell. The fact that people don’t deserve hell makes grace a horrific concept, because it makes people apologetic for being in a world they belong in without any apology.
2. The Christian concept of God’s grace encourages psychopathic tendencies in those who believe in it.
In Christian theology, grace is based mostly on what you believe, not what you do, as everyone has sinned and supposedly deserves eternity in hell. But there are a couple major problems with this. Some “sins,” such as same-sex marriage, are taboos in the Bible and in much of Christian interpretation of it, and yet there is no logical social reason as to why we should have the taboo outside of a supposed God’s say-so. This is an example of how the concept of sin encourages us to ignore very real circumstances people are in, ignore the love people may have for each other, and simply believe that people are immoral in spite of evidence to the contrary. In other words, the arbitrary labels of “sin” — or, in this case, “sins” made up by bigots six thousand years ago — force people to see people as sinful where no sin exist, often leading to maltreatment of these misunderstood, “sinful” people. And this is maltreatment that Christians don’t have to feel that bad about because, after all, these people are sinners.
Second, to be grateful for the concept of grace you have to think that everyone who doesn’t have it is going to hell, and be OK with that. No matter what the person does, they deserve hell and will get it if they don’t follow arbitrary rules God supposedly set up, and/or don’t believe a fairly fantastical story that has very little evidence backing it up. This mentality dehumanizes the person who is not a Christian. No matter how much we tell our Christian friends and family members that we’re human and that we don’t deserve nor are going to hell, the Christian has to think we are sinners headed for hellfire if we don’t believe their fantastic story. So no matter what we say (outside of stating we believe in outrageous 2000 year old stories), we are forced into the stereotype of an unsaved sinner, trapped in pity and low moral standing that we can’t escape from. And these stereotypes have and do affect the way we are treated on a personal and societal level in extremely disturbing ways that are ignored because of reason 3.
3. Its major function is to allow the church to abuse without culpability.
“Grace” is often used to say we shouldn’t take the past actions of those who have it into account, as much — if God has forgiven people, who are we not to? Although sometimes people insist that grace doesn’t dismiss actions — in point of fact, it often seems to.
For example, when I was a Christian, I used to see unsavory parts of church history and present action as proof FOR a God because, I thought, if things were so terrible, grace had to exist to make things less terrible. The fact that the church was abusive was proof that people in general could be abusive, which meant we all needed grace, which came from God, which brought me back to the church, no matter how dark its past or present deeds were. No matter what the church does, the concept of grace eventually launders its reputation so that it comes out with squeaky-clean moral currency that’s often proof, among those dedicated to the church (and often those outside of it), of God’s supposed blessings.
So when the atrocities — past and present — of the church are discussed, the answer comes back that yes, the church is terrible, but God has forgiven it. If any other organization stated it had an imaginary friend who similarly gave it grace, and was at the same time engaging in all the control the church has on people’s lives, everyone would be in uproar. The reason why everyone is not, it seems, is that the church is a major source of power that gives it great power in protecting and enriching its good reputation.
Thus, throughout history, the church has been able to enslave, colonize, and abuse individuals both physically and psychologically because 1) it has the moral authority to state that those it puts through this deserve it and much worse, so it can treat people in terrible ways without moral censure in cultures whose moral system it infiltrates and controls, and 2) it controls the concept of grace so that it can give it to itself and to those it needs to maximize its power and control over others — and thus uses the concept of grace to force less powerful individuals in the church to excuse, ignore, or justify its abuses, no matter how horrific they may be. Grace is truly the worst concept in Christianity, and as long as it stands, Christianity will perpetuate itself, controlling societies and lives without having anyone to answer to but a God of its own making who is — oddly enough — in the habit of giving it blank checks for grace.